tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1581414544708272211.comments2023-04-04T03:50:38.061-04:00Otherworldly JourneyUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1581414544708272211.post-40821279492573738252010-10-04T18:42:29.253-04:002010-10-04T18:42:29.253-04:00fetch lands and double negative people... once tha...fetch lands and double negative people... once that happens jund loses a whole lot of steam. if you agressive shrouders jund has issues adapting being a deck composed of removal and little critters. my buddie plays jund and hushblade, scyth tigers and spreading seas kill his manna curve dead while eliminating his removal. So all in all, jund give you problem? shroud up ppl<br />i support the mutilation of your supposed english because its just a mix of languages itself.... no french or german = no modern english. and RG is overpowered in standard period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1581414544708272211.post-51020648949205213742010-09-07T18:43:38.289-04:002010-09-07T18:43:38.289-04:00this elf is like the magic hooker, all deck use th...this elf is like the magic hooker, all deck use then and later is discarded, in first time only Jund contain this card, later Naya, later aggro vampires, later allies, all in magic world has this card.<br /><a href="http://www.safemeds.com/generic-viagra.htm" rel="nofollow">Generic Viagra</a> <a href="http://www.safemeds.com/viagra/buy.html" rel="nofollow">Buy Viagra</a>.Viagra Onlinehttp://www.safemeds.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1581414544708272211.post-69256600221942831592010-06-07T12:56:44.573-04:002010-06-07T12:56:44.573-04:00That's some crazy maths you have there. A lot ...That's some crazy maths you have there. A lot "let's assume this creature has a mana cost of X"<br /><br />Those creatures don't have those mana costs. Also, bloodblaid elf really isn't ban worthy. If it were banworthy, it would be overrunning other formats as well. <br /><br />The truth is, bloodblaid elf and jund seem so powerful not because they are ban worthy, but because the current standard is a little underpowered.<br /><br />The issue is that green and red are pretty much necissary colors to play. And if you are playing those colors, then you should play bloodbraid because it is good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1581414544708272211.post-34253418719320001132010-04-11T13:26:06.473-04:002010-04-11T13:26:06.473-04:00What a bunch of whiners..
If you can't beat t...What a bunch of whiners..<br /><br />If you can't beat the deck, start a petition to ban all the good cards in the deck?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1581414544708272211.post-20660778785961253952010-02-22T15:24:05.134-05:002010-02-22T15:24:05.134-05:00Wizards needs to realize that it is time. Worldwak...Wizards needs to realize that it is time. Worldwake has come and Jund is still the most prominent deck. Were still looking at over 30% of the field being Jund. I have to admit that Jund vs. Jund finals at the Pro Tour was the worst championship game EVER!<br /><br />Ban the Bloodbraid Elf in Standard!wormmasterhttp://www.meetup.com/thechicagomagicthegatheringnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1581414544708272211.post-45431583071195883142010-01-29T12:05:47.624-05:002010-01-29T12:05:47.624-05:00A few things:
1) That podcast would make a lot mo...A few things:<br /><br />1) That podcast would make a lot more sense if Flores wrote down his thoughts first. <br /><br />2) Also, if they had recorded it properly instead of in what sounds like a busy coffee shop. The Podcast is so overmodulated I can't understand half of what they are saying or trying to say.<br /><br />3) That all being said, I think Mike is on the right path. Insomuch as it's better to step back from card advantage as a metric and look more to mana efficiency. Of course, that's assuming I'm understanding the podcast correctly. Similar to what Alton says, you guys are using too many examples and the result is a "moving metric" that makes it difficult to come to any conclusion<br /><br /><br />I think a lot of people are saying that the referenced podcast is overcomplicating the game, which is possible. However, this is still something that has the potential to be somewhat revolutionary. Evaluating cards based on their mana efficiency (or "aggressiveness"?) versus something like card advantage could potentially discover some new deck archetypes as well as bring a better understanding of how and why certain decks "just work."<br /><br />I don't think Bloodbraid should go away. Just like Affinity, or possibly Bitterblossom/Faeries, it will eventually get rotated out and lose its flavor. In fact, one could argue that Jund's current popularity in Standard could mean a lot of hate in Extended/Legacy and therefore hurt both its popularity and its strength as a deck. I'm not sure if this could happen, but it certainly makes sense in my mind.<br /><br />However, what I feel is the best takeaway from Jund is that it highlights the power of Cascade. Once Jund moves into Extended, I can see it being used to power up cards from previous sets.Mugsleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08148551030543844000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1581414544708272211.post-48569727690573429152010-01-28T20:44:25.950-05:002010-01-28T20:44:25.950-05:00I have to say, if Bloodbraid gets banned for the a...I have to say, if Bloodbraid gets banned for the aformentioned reasons, then I may have to quit Magic. Banning Bloodbraid because it is "too good" would be like banning Cryptic Command or Bitterblossom back when they dominated Standard. I remember not too long ago players would moan and groan about having to play against Faeries. And Bloodbraid Elf really only sees play in Standard. Faeries (when it standard) was also a powerhouse in Extended (and still is). We, as players, need to just accept that sometimes cards are printed above the power curve or with abilities that dominate. Cascade is definitely a broken ability. But so is Storm. And can you really blame so many people for sleeving up Jund? A deck that plays the best Cascade cards available and has good matchups against both control and aggro seems like a smart deck choice to me. Sure, I hate playing against Jund and I hate how mindless of a deck it is, and I hate having to constantly build decks with Mainboard hate just in anticipation for the Jund match up. But just because Jund is THAT GOOD doesnt mean we should just ban it's star creature. If Bloodbraid gets banned, expect Baneslayer Angel and other cards above the power curve to be next on the chopping block.David Campanohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07344054939809589009noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1581414544708272211.post-30210597723219067262010-01-26T04:21:33.222-05:002010-01-26T04:21:33.222-05:00Great argument, but I agree with Alton; I think th...Great argument, but I agree with Alton; I think the point about its mana cost is where the argument starts to get a bit shaky.<br /><br />Anyone who has played this game for any reasonable length of time can tell you that Bloodbraid is aggressively costed for its effect, so I'm not sure that part of the argument is entirely necessary (although I do understand why you wanted to "go there").<br /><br />I think primarily the point is that something needs to be done about Jund's dominance (and by "dominance," I mean its ubiquity at tournaments, not necessarily its high finishes). Banning Bloodbraid would probably do a lot to accomplish this, but so would the addition of new and more attractive strategies in WorldWake. People play Jund because the strategy attracts them (and really, who doesn't want to use one spell to set off a volley of chaos directed at their opponent?). If something were to show up in the format that would make the cascade mechanic less appealing--perhaps, a permanent that punished players for playing too many spells in a turn--then people would have less incentive to play Jund (because let's be honest; it's the cascade that makes Jund so good, not anything else).<br /><br />I know WotC goes out of its way to avoid banning anything; obviously they'd rather just print answers than brush off the ban-hammer. The problem is, that solution takes time; just consider Volcanic Fallout and Great Sable Stag. Both were supposed to be answers to Faeries, but Fallout came a full year after Bitterblossom, and Stag took 17 months to show up. Anathemancer--an answer to Five-Color Control--didn't show up until a year after Reflecting Pool. Too little, too late.<br /><br />I'm not sure banning Bloodbraid is the answer, but I don't think I'd shed any tears were it to happen.Joey Pascohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10672899859908158821noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1581414544708272211.post-46452659137568327222010-01-24T16:48:19.860-05:002010-01-24T16:48:19.860-05:00Hey Joe,
I think it is helpful and enlightening t...Hey Joe,<br /><br />I think it is helpful and enlightening to examine a card based on certain metrics. To evaluate power level you need some standard basis for comparison, just like to measure length you need a meter-stick. <br /><br />However, I think you compared bloodbraid elf to too many "sorta similar" cards. I think you need to narrow the focus to prevent losing people, to drive home your point concisely. By comparing BE to so many cards that have different drawback and benefit metrics, you failed to establish a direct correspondence between one resource and another.<br /><br />Here is what bloodbraid elf gets you *immediately*:<br /><br />3/2 haste<br />+1 card advantage<br />+1-3 mana<br /><br />If we take 1-3 and say "on average 2 mana", then bloodbraid elf is, as you said, costed at ~RG.<br /><br />RG: +1 card advanage, 3/2 haste<br /><br />Watchwolf is an aggressively costed guy but by no means overpowering, he costs 2 different colors of mana and is a 3/3. Here we have sacrificed a point of toughness for +1 card advantage and haste.<br /><br />To my knowledge, haste typically adds +1 cmc and +1 CA adds +2 cmc. RG seems hyperaggressively costed by these metrics. Anyone who disagrees is free to venture a counterargument using different metrics.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09746273069797543824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1581414544708272211.post-42689965937326466812010-01-23T19:59:39.122-05:002010-01-23T19:59:39.122-05:00Okay, seriously, you can't just make up number...Okay, seriously, you can't just make up numbers/mana values and apply them as though they mean something. It's completely random and arbitrary. Does no one understand this? It's bugging me. <br /><br />I wish people would stop doing it. It's not just you. But it needs to stop. It's becoming ridiculous. x_X I'm really dying over here. <br /><br />As for the rest of the article, well, pretty much. I mean, no one's really disagreeing I guess. But I don't think it's going to get banned if Bitterblossom didn't.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04638901742389411126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1581414544708272211.post-68552108080780899482010-01-23T19:09:06.239-05:002010-01-23T19:09:06.239-05:00Lemme sell my Bloodbraids first before we ban it. ...Lemme sell my Bloodbraids first before we ban it. :BJarshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11246843502260406513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1581414544708272211.post-70458442556390751372010-01-23T12:37:40.437-05:002010-01-23T12:37:40.437-05:00I totally agree with this. Usually, I'm not bi...I totally agree with this. Usually, I'm not big on banning any card, but everyone is playing Jund and, quite frankly, it's not fun playing against the same deck (win or lose) each week.Brandon Mendelsonhttp://www.draculaandkittens.comnoreply@blogger.com